hey all you pitty lovers out there I'm curious to hear your opinion on the new breeding legislation in San Francisco.
It seems to take the profit incentive for breeding pits away to a greater degree.
If this is true then from the perspective of trying to reduce the number of pittys that get "put down aka killed" at shelters it sems like it is a good thing.
In terms of taking away a "Business Oppurtunity" from those who can't afford a "breeding license I just have no sympathy...do something else
less evil to get by.
Any thoughts (please skip the hate if your militant about this) y'all?
It seems to take the profit incentive for breeding pits away to a greater degree.
If this is true then from the perspective of trying to reduce the number of pittys that get "put down aka killed" at shelters it sems like it is a good thing.
In terms of taking away a "Business Oppurtunity" from those who can't afford a "breeding license I just have no sympathy...do something else
less evil to get by.
Any thoughts (please skip the hate if your militant about this) y'all?
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 7:55 AMYou have an excellent point about the law (hopefully) limiting the number of pit bulls that get "put down" at Bay area shelters...Let's hope that the law does that, without shifting backyard breeders over to Rottweilers or Dobermans...or some other vicious breed...
I just wish that San Francisco had pased a law that required high license fees for all breeds of dogs that were unspayed or not neutered...
Anyway the city needs to enforce its laws...there are currently laws on the books about "vicious" animals that doen't get enforced. Pemember the case of the SF schoolteacher who got mauled to death, where was the city in enforcing the law there? I think there had been many complaints about those dogs that killed that woman.
I hope that the law prevents more pitties from being born and overwhelming the shelters...I resent the fact that pitties were singled out as a particularly "vicious" breed...
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 9:39 AMI agree that it's a good thing. Even though it's breed specific, over half of all dogs euthanized per year in shelters are pitties, and when I first heard that, it made me cry. However, I also agree that it would benefit all sheltered doggies to have the law for all breeds. If they're not born, they can't be killed (although this is not to say that there should be no dogs, ever...life without dogs would be a very pathetic life, indeed). -
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 10:50 AMWow...i expected a more militant response from my post and appreciatte the thoughts you both share...I agree all breeding should come with very high fees...basically it's profiting for the traffic of a lifeform that has been in loving partnership with humankind for quites ome time.
Thre is a huge problem with unwanted dogs -especially pits and doing the same thing we have been doing does not seem like an answer.
a lower canine birthrate and fewer unwanted dogs are the objective -is it too rightoues to take "breed specific" action to achieve this? -
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 9:53 PMI totally see where you're coming from, and it's not too rightious, but at the same time, to be honest, the reason I don't like the breed specific thing is because it opens the door for future descrimination, and abuse of the bill. I'm already hearing rumors about cities in CA requiring a muzzle for any dog that even resembles a pit bull. Granted, this is hearsay, but if it's true, it's scary.
I'm also afraid they might instate a ban someday (however, this might just be my paranoia), even though the bill specifically says that no bans are to be enforced, who's to say that it won't be changed in the future? The whole thing has left me feeling a little insecure. I don't want to ever be forced to move out of the state, but I would do it in order to save my lady's life. Here's hoping things won't move in that direction, and that I'm just neurotic ;] -
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 9:17 PMok, stupid question..... How do you ban a breed? Does this mean that all owners of pits have to have them put down? -
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 9:27 PMWell, apparently, when a ban is instated, they give everyone what they consider to be a fair amount of notice. If you don't move out of the area, or move your dog, and they are discovered, they will be confiscated, and you will have a week-long grace period to get your dog out of dodge, or they put them down. It's different in each area that has instated a ban, but in Denver, they actually went door to door, and jumped backyard fences to get the dogs and stuff. -
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Wed, December 21, 2005 - 8:56 AMYes, apparently they were really Nazi-like in Denver...and...of course, the poor people got rousted out first by the cops actually banging on people's doors and searching their houses ...and literally dragging their dogs off to the (I can't call it a shelter if they euthanized the dogs) umm, killing place.
These dogs were people's private property... and they just took them and killed them
apparently there are breed bans in place in most of Ontario and umm, here is a site that lists geographical areas in North America that have pit bans in place...
www.pbrc.net/breedspecific.html
Hope this link works...Let me know if it does Not. -
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Wed, December 21, 2005 - 3:22 PMThanks for the link...i like how it states that breed specific legislation does not address the essential problem of irresponsible dog owners (dang took my pittie...always wanted a rotty) and i think that is part of a potential solution...owner accountability...I believe by having responsible owners help form guidelines that both insure their right to keep their dog regardless of breed and reduce the number of unloved dogs in the hands of irresponsible owners and "shelters we are serving the species as a whole and our own as well. -
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Sat, December 24, 2005 - 8:35 PMYes, well....the only way to reduce the number of unwanted dogs is to first perfect ourselves...lol...and then to educate, educate, educate and spay/neuter, spay/neuter, spay/neuter...etc. etc., etc....lol
Let's shoot for no unloved dogs and hey let's throw in no unloved people too and I'm going for a better world for all of us where no humans or animals are unloved or unlovable...why not?
I know it is totally unrealistic, but so are all worthy projects!
Glad you enjoyed the link, there are many good sites on the net about bsl...and reducing the number of "fashion accessory" throw-away dogs...(PS enjoyed your profile also) -
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Fri, January 6, 2006 - 5:30 PMLaur...,
I like your perspective and appreciatte you taking part in this discussion.
I'll update you when we start out tv project...I'm gonna call it:
Pitty in the City
best to you,
prettypit
p.s. thanks for checking out my profile! -
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Mon, July 10, 2006 - 12:28 AMfuck yea pitty in the city..great name and good luck...
i am looking for a younger pit, brown with cool lookin eyes??
anyone? -
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Mon, July 10, 2006 - 4:56 PMYou could start with badrap.org. If you are looking to adopt a pit bull. -
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Sat, October 14, 2006 - 12:03 PMHey, Ernie, someone just found a brown pit with "golden" eyes in Los Angeles...I mean like yesterday. There is a post about it in Pit bull owners and lovers.
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My experience with the Denver Pitbull ban
Mon, November 13, 2006 - 8:58 AMI live in Denver. After I paid for my dog's pet deposit (he is an AmStaff), my manager called Animal Control. My beloved, Gryff, had just woke me up to STOP my neighbor from killing his wife. I was on the phone with my mom when they showed up. She told the ACO that she would be at my house with in 10 minutes to take him out of the city/county. They refused. The city told me I had to get him an "eval" to decide if he was a pit or not plus they gave me a ticket.
Needless to say, when I went to get him the same day they refused to return him to me until after the eval. I wasn't even allow to "see" him.
I went back the next morning and had to sign a paper stating he was a pit just to get him back or pay $10 per day until my court date. I did sign the paper and now he is "under house arrest" at "Grandma's".
When I went to court I was fined $200 and was put on probation. If I ever bring him into Denver, I will go directly to jail and have to pay a fine of $999.
Within 8 months after Denver reinacted it's breed ban law, Denver destroyed over 3000 pits and/or a dog which resembled a pit.
What floors me is they outlawed Pits, AmStaffs, and Staffies but not the Bull Terrier. They are all in the same family and what makes the Bull Terrier so different is his nose.
I am just plain sick. I am from California and I would love to go back, but from what I understand the state is looking at having a breed ban against our beloved, loyal dogs.
I strong believe it is not the dog but the "bad" owners who give this breed a bad rap.
All I can say is my dog (and maybe yours) is a victim of PROFILING thus many then PROFILE us for having such loving dogs.
I am sorry I have ranted, but I would love to have my dog home with me. It will happen as soon as I am done with school and move into a PIT FRIENDLY area next year (2007). -
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Re: My experience with the Denver Pitbull ban
Thu, November 16, 2006 - 7:08 PMOMG poor Peggy. At least you were able to save your dogs life. Many Denver pit bull owners weren't. some of them , of course were irresponsible owners. Others..not.
I'll never spend a dime in Denver, Colorado as long as they keep this totally unfair law on their books. there is no reason at all behind their pit bull ban. It's crappy legislation.
How can you live there after what they did? Nazis!
I am happy you saved your dog. Hope you have many happy years with your pup...
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Tue, January 30, 2007 - 9:18 PMits a shame san francisco doesnt have high license fees for unfixed dogs! oakland has them and while enforcement is grossly inadequate, they do exist. I think its about $100 a year for unfixed dogs, $10 for fixed. sometimes that convinces people to get it done. there's also a pitfix program that allows people to have pits fixed for free. sadly, I still run into an absurd amount of uneducated people that thinks its mean to the dog, or more important to breed it.
alas.
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Re: new breeding laws: good or bad for pittys
Tue, January 30, 2007 - 9:15 PMI work at an animal shelter and I have to say, people that are breeding these dogs for profit are doing this breed a huge disservice. in the east bay, pit bulls are one of the number one breeds we see come through the shelters, low cost clinics and animal control. some of the most horrific things I've seen in my line of work have involved pit bulls. as much as I love this breed (I have one mysef), I do think there's a need to reduce the rate at which their population is increasing in certain areas. I'm not a fan of breed specific legislation, but something does need to be done to reduce the number of homeless pits.
